SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF USING STAMPS TO MAKE FALSE DOCUMENTS...
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 1
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 2
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 3
THE NEWPOETRY LETTER HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT BY
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
BUT
I HAVE THE ORIGINAL COPIES
SEE
THE TIME AFTER THE DATE THIS INDICATES THEIR SETTINGS
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - SKOLNICK REPORT 00
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - SKOLNICK REPORT 01
This ritual is "The Rite to Open the Passage" (the Eye of Horus).
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - THE SEEDS OF LIFE
1ST SON
This will open the passage for lower fourth dimensional energy to be directed
into the leylines of the Earth.
This will (is designed to) also close
the 3rd eye (consciousness) of all on this planet that oppose the Illuminati.
It will further shut down (is designed to) the other people who
are not actively aware or opposing the Illuminati but feel uneasy about what is going on and cannot figure out why.
The
solar eclipse which is to take place on August 11 (over the key Earth power centre of Cornwall, England) will also
have a "Grand Square" which makes it extremely powerful.
This eclipse is the beginning of a six month period in which there will
be much activity of significance that pinnacles in
The Rite of Establishment
of the
Age of Horus
(Osiris reborn)
at the Millennium.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HE NEVER DIED...
___________________________
HERE IS EVIDENCE OF THEM TRYING TO COPY ME..
I AM NOT A MOVIE STAR OR A SPIRITUAL LEADER
DAY OF CONCEPTION
MAR 25 1979
ANNUNICATION
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SEEDS OF LIFE
ANNUNICATION
I FOUND THIS RTC SCHEDULE ON MY COMPUTER AND NOTICED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS IN 1980 LIKE
WE DO NOW..
BUT THESE DATES MATCH MY FIRST SON'S BIRTHDAY..
NOT TILL THE FATHER AWOKE ME IN 2003 DID I REALIZE THAT HE IS THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN..
THEY ARE MERVOINGIAN'S...
THIS MEANS HE TOOK THE SPERM SHELL OF THE HUSBAND I WAS WITH AND HE INJECTED HIS SPERM WHILE
BEING IN THEIR BODY..
THEY NOW HAVE GOD LIKE POWERS...
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WAS TO BE WITH HIM BECAUSE OF ALL THE RITUALS THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS PERFORMED..
THEY HAVE DONE THIS ALL MY LIFE TIMES
AND
THEY HAVE EVEN SHAPE SHIFTED INTO PERSONS WHO LOOK LIKE MY PARENTS...
AND
THIS IS WHY I AM NOT SURE WHO IS REAL AND HOW IS NOT..
I CAN TELL BY THE WAY THEY ACT NOW...
THIS IS WHY I DON'T CALL THEM BECAUSE I AM NEVER SURE IF THEY ARE GOING TO BELIEVE ME...
AND
EVEN IF THEY DO THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS HURT THEM AND THEY WON'T TELL ME...
AND
THIS IS WHY I AM CALLING ON THE KENNEDY'S..
IF THEY DON'T HELP ME THEN I WILL CONTINUE TO EXPOSE EVERYONE WITH THE HELP
OF
DAVID ICKE
AND
ARZIONA WILDER...
SHARI BROBECK USED MY MOTHER'S BODY FORM AND CLAIMED THAT SHE COULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT HIM AND I
RECORDED IT AND PUBLISHED..
ALSO MY DAUGTHER TOLD ME HER OTHER GRANDMOTHER ANNA MCRORY SOUNDED LIKE SHARI BROBECK..
AND
JIM MCRORY LET'S HER PICK UP THE KIDS AND DROP THEM OFF...
THE OTHER RESON WHY MY EX-HUSBANDS HAVE JOINED FORCES WITH
THE FATHER
JFK,JR.
IS BECAUSE
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
HAVE SCREWED THEM TOO IN PAST LIVES...
THIS IS A SUCIDE MISSION...
AND THEY WON'T BE STOPPED EITHER...
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III THE SEEDS OF LIFE
3RD TRIMESTER
This symbolism relates to the ancient Egyptian legends of Osiris (the father), Horus (the son), and Isis (the virgin
mother), which later became the basis for the Jesus stories also.
THE NEXT PICTURE IS HOW WE MESSED
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
UP WITH THE AMEN LAW...
AND
WE DID IT WITH JESUS WHICH IS REALLY HORUS WHO WAS BORN ON CHRISTMAS DAY AND HIS BROTHER WAS JESUS BORN ON APRIL 16
THE DAY AFTER TAXES...
AND
THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER BABY
A BLOOD ROYAL
A GIRL WHO DOES SPIRIT WORK WITH ME...
THESE CHILDREN ARE THE OTHER POWERS OF THE UNIVERSE...
THEY EACH WERE BORN WITH A DROP OF MERCURY
WHICH IS THE AMOUNT THAT WAS USED TO MAKE THE UNIVERSAL GRID..
THEY ARE MORTAL BUT MAGICAL IN A SPIRIT FORMAT...
THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN ORDERS THAT CAN ONLY BE GIVIN BY ME TO PATROL THE UNIVERSE FOR TROUBLE AND HELP WHEN IT IS NEEDED...
I AM MADE OF INVISIBLE MERCURY UNDER MY SKIN AND
CAN DO MANY THINGS ON A GOBAL BASIS..
WE ONLY DO FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW...
AND
MY MAGIC ONLY WORKS WHEN
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
DON'T GO BACK IN TIME 2 DAYS...
THIS WAS ALL EXPLAINED WHEN WE WERE ALL ON LEMURIA...
ALL THIS EVIL MAGIC IS THE CAUSE OF AUTISM NOW EVERY 20 SECONDS A CHILD IS BORN WITH IT...
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
HAVE TRIED SO HARD TO RECREATE WHAT I HAVE ALREADY DONE..
THEY HAVE DESTROYED THE DNA WHICH MY CHILDREN ARE HERE TO TRY AND FIX...
THAT IS WHY PRINCE WILLIAM IS MY DAUGTHER'S SOUL MATE..
SHE TOLD WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING OUR SPIRIT WORK..
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
WILL NOT EXCEPT THE FACT THAT I AM THE MERCURY SEED
AND
THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE UNIVERSE OR UNIVERSES GO AROUND...
THE PRESSURE THAT
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
USE DESTROYS THE UNIVERSE...
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III THE SEEDS OF LIFE
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - THE SEEDS OF
LIFE
The New World Order, the takeover of the planet via the establishment
of a world government, world army (NATO), world central bank and currency, and a micro-chipped population, is known by the
Illuminati as
"The Age of Horus".
THE AGE OF HORUS
WAS IN 1980
THE RTC SHEET DEFINES THIS STATEMENT
THEY HAVE BEEN TIME TRAVELING SO MUCH THEY MISSED THE BIG MOMENT..
IT WAS 28 YEARS AGO...
1ST SON
CAROLYN BESSETTE AND JFK,JR MARRIAGE WAS NOT LEGAL THEIR LICENSE
WAS NEVER FILED
THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED IT...
The symbolism of the murder of a pregnant Diana, Princess of Wales,
with the Egyptian Dodi Fayed, relates to the arrival of "The Age of Horus". (See "The Biggest Secret").
This "Age of Horus" ritual will be held on December 31st from 12am to 3am at the Great Pyramid, at which time
the top of the pyramid will be capped with gold and crystal. (George Bush has long been on the guest list of the Millennium
"Celebrations" at Giza).
Etched in the crystal will be the Eye of Horus on all four sides.
(This relates to the All Seeing Eye symbol on the dollar bill and the
reverse of the Great Seal of the United States).
They will finalize this period of six months on January 31st/February
1st and start "preparing the ground for the sowing of their seeds.
Preceding the August 11 through 13 ritual, which
by the way ends with the day of Hecate (one of their key deities),the bringer of chaos and death, is the July 28th
lunar eclipse.
This eclipse is also extremely unusual and powerful in that it also involves
a Grand Square and the House of Aquarius goes direct - its effect is at full strength.
The Moon on this date is a New Moon - a time to plan and cast spells for
the plan.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO THINK THEY CAN PERFORM MAGIC IT'S ALL THEIR PLANNING
AND
TIME TRAVELING THAT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE MAGIC BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE
SEEN UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE SEEN...
BUT
EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO THIS TOO...
SO THEY ARE NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN ANYONE ELSE...
During the solar
eclipse, the next day and on the Day of Hecate (August 13th), there will be blood sacrifices and also literal sodomization
of the intended sacrifices beforehand.
This will signify opening the
Eye of Horus,
1ST SON
opening the passage for the
lower fourth dimensional energy
and the closing, the shutting down of the human 3rd eye - consciousness
on the planet.
They will remove the heart and consume it, signifying the taking away
the vibrational chakra of love.
They will also remove the liver (strength), the eyes (sight), and brain
(knowledge, thought, action).
They will consume the blood (life force for them).
Their ritual acts all encompass and empower them for what they wish to
spiritually do to us.
What they do is to be given strength which is brought into actual physical
being by the solar eclipse, the lunar eclipse, and the grand squares of their ruling planets with those particular energies
accompanying the grand squares.
The effect on the Earth if they succeed will be terrible.
Very
much a part of this is the planned marriage of Sophie Rhys-Jones and Prince Edward of the House of Windsor at Windsor Castle
on Saturday (Saturn's day) June 19th, 1999.
ROYAL WEDDING JUN 19 1999
Look at the date and year.
The 19th is the number of the Sun. 1 is the beginning (alpha),
9 is the end (omega).
The name Sophia = wisdom,
THE OMEGA = SOPHIA OF WISDOM
THE FINAL JUDGE
which is Baphomet by the (code known as) the Atbash
Cipher.
On June 19th, 1999,Saturn is direct in Taurus at 13 degrees, releasing
malevolent powers.
This marriage has been arranged for this year to empower the rituals
from August 11th to 13th and the ones starting at 12am on December 31st.
The Illuminati foresaw through astrological
charting that Saturn turns at 17 degrees Taurus to square Uranus on the 17th, 18th, and 19th of July 1999.
***JFK,JR. CRASH 7 - 16 - 1999 AND CAROLYN WAS PREGANT WITH MALE CHILD...
AIR FORCE ONE
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 1
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 2
NTSB ISSUES FINAL REPORT ON JFK,JR. CRASH 3
THE NEWPOETRY LETTER HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT BY
THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS
BUT
I HAVE THE ORIGINAL COPIES
SEE
THE TIME AFTER THE DATE THIS INDICATES THEIR SETTINGS
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - SKOLNICK REPORT 00
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - SKOLNICK REPORT 01
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III THE SEEDS OF
LIFE
POTUS REPORT
BOOGEY MAN
NINA ALVES - LISA TOMMASO - LISA GONZALES
SEE
SCKOLNICK REPORT
POTUS FILE STOLEN
BY
BOOGEY MAN
LISA
GONZALES
JARIN
WAS USING SEX MAGIC TO OBTAIN A FANTASTY AND PERFORMED A
MARRIAGE RICTUAL
OF
THE ILLUMINATI
TO MAKE THIS SEAL HAPPEN AND BE INVOLVED
WITH
THE CRASH - TORTILLA SOUP....
SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF USING STAMPS TO MAKE FALSE DOCUMENTS...
______________________________________
CINDY CRAWFORD
USED SEX MAGIC TO GET THIS FANTASY...
TO BE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT...
CINDY CRAWFORD ALSO DATED
JOHN F. KENNEDY, JR.
OF
GEORGE MAGAZINE
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SEEDS OF LIFE
ANNUNICATION
3RD TRIMESTER
THEY WERE SHARING THE SAME BODY
OF
CAROLYN BESETTE
FOREIGN DESTATIONS
This results in an intense and upsetting period
because people who are seeing the changes occurring now are going to be challenging the plans the Illuminati are ready to
play.
The marriage is a ritual to attempt to thwart those who plan against them.
It does this by performing a ritual (marriage) that is heavily publicized
and therefore constitutes a kind of "open" ritual.
This is an attempt to communicate directly with the subconscious of the
millions who read or hear about it, by means of a
"twilight code"
that does not require conscious understanding, but subliminal human processing.
This ritual/marriage is part of a sequence of events that the Illuminati
plan to use to imprint their design on the subconscious of the public group mind.
This does not require people's conscious understanding.
By using the energies manifested during this time and putting their intent
behind this ritual/marriage, the House of Windsor plans to clear out elements of their agenda which are not working and ensure
the Illuminati rituals of August 11th-13th 1999 and December 31st/January 1st are successful.
***SEE RESTRAINING ORDER FOR NINA'S ALVES DATE OF
BIRTH AUG 12...
AUG 12
The timing of the marriage on June 19th is associated with the Oak Tree, a powerful occultic symbol
in Druidism that is also often used by the House of Windsor.
The Roman god, Janus, is associated with the Oak. Janus, the two-faced
Roman god of change, and also the "beginning and the end", "the opening and the closing of the door".
Since the wedding is close to the summer solstice, it is associated with
St Johns' Eve,
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
or Oannes (the Babylonian Nimrod) and is still celebrated as the
"Festival of Aire" in Ireland.
Aire, a goddess, is related to Air Soph (endless one)
on the Tree of Life.
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III THE SEEDS OF LIFE
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THE GLOBE DEC 1999 PRINTED THIS PICTURE OF PRINCESS DIANA AS SOMEONE HOLY...
WHY?
BECAUSE SHE WAS RELATED TO POPE URBAN III JUST LIKE I AM AND SHE GOT THE POSITION TO
POSED AS
CAROLINA KENNEDIA AKA MARY MAGDALENE
&
LUCZERICA CRIVELLI - VISCONTI - SFORZA
PRINCESS DIANA
TOOK THE JOB THE TOO SERIOUSLY AND WORD GOT OUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE ILLUMINATI...
THIS IS MY PROOF
THE MADONNA ON THE ROCKS
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THE MADONNA ON THE ROCKS
PAINTING
AQUILEGA
OR
COLUMBINE
(DOVE PLANT) ARE BESIDE
THE VIRGIN'S
FACE
THESE
SYMBOLISE
THE HOLY SPIRIT...
Air Soph = Sophia (Sophie)= wisdom = Baphomet in the Atbash cipher.
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THIS IS A BODY FORM OF THE FATHER AND HE IS NOT WELCOMED EITHER..
AND
THIS IS WHERE THE MAGICAL SEMEN COMES FROM..
WHEN THE FATHER GETS BACK INTO HIS BODY FORM FROM BEING MY EX-HUSBANDS HIS BODY REMEMBERS WHAT HAPPENED..
The
white horse, sacred to the Phoenicians in Britain (see The Biggest Secret), is also associated with the oak.
On the Tarot, a naked child sits on a white horse.
The child signifies "the fool", the "initiate".
The nakedness signifies there is no longer anything to hide. Edward Windsor
is the initiate.
By this marriage he is initiated into wisdom/Baphomet, into the dark things
that light does not pierce.
The circle is closed in on the House of Windsor.
The scene is set, Alpha to Omega.
The serpent has swallowed its tail. It has become the endless one.
The marriage of Princess Diana to Charles was timed and located in the same way as part of Windsor-Illuminati ritual.
St. Paul's Cathedral, where the marriage took place, is built on an ancient site of Goddess Diana worship at Ludgate Hill
in the heart of the City of London-the Illuminati's epicentre at operational level.
Diana also died in Paris on an ancient site of ritual sacrifice to
the Goddess Diana, now known as the Pont d'Alma tunnel (see The Biggest Secret for the detailed story).
It is
also worth noting how much Sophie, Prince Edward's bride, is a Diana look-alike and only in April 1999, one of the most famous
television presenters in Britain, Jill Dando, a lady I knew at the BBC, was shot dead near her home in London by, according
to reports, a "professional hitman'. Jill Dando is another Sophie look-alike with blond hair and blue eyes, and Jill Dando
was a friend of Sophie.
The Illuminati
obsession with ritual leaves me in no doubt that Dando's death was connected to the sequence detailed here by Arizona Wilder.
The
Sun also signifies "The Head".
Jill Dando was shot in the head and killed on April 26th, 1999, This relates
to the ritual wedding of her friend, Sophie Rhys-Jones and Edward.
This date was also the first day of the "Grand Climax", a week long string
of rituals preceeding and including Walpurgisnacht, April 30th, leading to Beltane, May 1st. Again Jill Dando shot in the
head, the Oak, Janus, the Sun, the date of the wedding, are all connected.
The Illuminati began to prepare the way
for so much on May 1st, 1999, Beltane.
The energy they put forth in readiness for the August eclipse increases
with the May 30th Full Moon; the June 13th New Moon; the June 21st Summer Solstice; June 28th Full Moon; July 13th new Moon;
July 28th New Moon/Eclipse wit grand junction; August 1st Lughnasad ritual; August 5th height of Mercury stationary in Cancer.
All this is to open the way for the dates of the solar eclipse/Day of
Hecate,
THE HISTORY OF THE CRIVELLI
THE POWER OF THREE
HECATE IS ONE PERSON BUT I ADDED TWO HEADS SO I COULD KEEP AN EYE ON ALL
THINGS AT ONCE..
SO THE MOTHER'S OF DARKNESS TOOK THIS AN INVITATION TO GET INTO MY BODY
SO THEY CAN PERFORM MAGIC TOO...
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN EXPERIENCE MY MAGIC BUT THEY
ARE
NOT
WELCOMED..
August 11, 12 and 13th.
In the Illuminati/Satanic method of
"mirror or reverse" symbolism, the Day of Hecate, August 13th, is mirrored to August 31st for her day of sacrifice. Diana,
Princess of Wales, died on that ancient site of Goddess Diana worship on August 31st - the day of sacrifice to Hecate.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
HAVE OUR OWN CONVERGENCE
During this eclipse we need to focus on bringing down higher vibrational
energies and canceling out their fourth dimensional energy.
Those of the Illuminati who are not at the Great Pyramid will be
positioned at precise longitudes and latitudes along the ley lines to perform rituals of the same kind at specified sites
in which phallic/womb symbols have been built.
3RD TRIMESTER
19 degrees latitude is where important sites will be, also 28 degrees
latitude.
Arizona Wilder
So let's do it!
If all this makes sense to you, can you organize all like thinkers you know to arrange their own events
on these dates?
Particularly the solar eclipse to the Day of Hecate.
To bring in higher dimensional energy to defuse this Illuminati
agenda!
All you have to do is go to a place you feel drawn to at that time
and open your heart and mind to the energy we call love.
Particularly love for the lower fourth dimensional entities because
this will dilute their energy even more.
We don't need mumbo jumbo, just people with open hearts and minds
focussed on the intent to be vehicles to ground love in this three-dimensional world.
If you have entered this website
to read just about the names, dates, people, conspiracy and are not aware of the esoteric level of the manipulation, you may
choose to ignore this or dismiss it as New Age nonsense.
This, I would suggest, is precisely what the manipulators want you
to do because they then have a clear playing field.
And ask yourself.
What harm could it do to connect with the energy of love for three
days or even a few minutes at the time of the solar eclipse.
One thing's for sure, you won't have the chance to go back and do
it afterwards when you realise that all this, bizarre as it may seem to you now, is actually the way the world is controlled
and the human race maintained in its mental and emotional prison.
Please contact us on the "bridgelove@aol.com" e-mail to tell us if you are doing this. Could you also transmit this e-mail to
everyone you know who might act upon its contents.
Thank you.
David Icke
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SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - YEAR OF BARBELO 2003
DECEMBER 9, 2006
LIBRARY OF SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
AKA
CAROLINE E. KENNEDY______________________________________
The Counterfactual... Year of Barbelo
2003...
Tom Coates
Preface, I'm not a particularly brilliant creative writer so I'm going
to suggest something and then retire away relatively gracefully to see what people make of it. This particularly interested
me because my recent reintroduction to the Gnostic Barbelites reminded me of all the inherently Christian bits of ideology
that still exist in my morals and preconceptions even as a staunch atheist. So this is an attempt at getting people to think
differently in terms of alternate histories - ways the world could have gone - with the objective of helping us to realise
the contingency of our own world, it's value systems and beliefs...
Year of Barbelo 196 AD:
The second century
Barbelite Christians believed that human bodies were vessels for fallen fragments of divine higher powers. Believing that
reproduction only drove the cycle of imprisonment, they ritually consumed semen (and
menses, according to some sources); they believed that the life energy bound therein would be bound
to the soul of the one who consumed them, and be able to escape this world with the eater's soul upon death. If
the eater had not gained enough energy and wisdom, he would be trapped by the Rulers and reincarnated again on Earth.
The Barbelites used sexual fluids as the sacraments of the Eucharist.
The suffering of Christ was re-enacted whenever a new being was born. The Barbelites
used non-reproductive sex to re-enact the descent of spirit into matter without actually trapping the spirit in physical form.
The Barbelites, believing Yaldabaoth (Yahweh [YHWH]) was the vile bastard son of Barbelo,
the pure reflection of the true God's conscious, felt that, by the desist of humanity, they would transfer
Barbelo's stolen energy back to her, weakening the mad, tyrranical Yaldabaoth. Needless to say, the Barbelites
were none too beloved by less eccentric religious groups. They were wiped out en masse, courtesy the
Christians.
But what if they weren't wiped out. What if - instead - Barbelite
Gnosticism became the major faith of the Western World - eventually taken up by Emperor Constantine
to reinspire his empire. What if Barbelite Gnosticism was a state religion...
Year of Barbelo 2003:
What kind of world could have made the Barbelites 'win'. What kind of world would exist today
if they had become the major religion of the Western world....
Qalyn
(prev. Qualyn)
00:11
/ 06.09.03
Well, Tom, before we can really get rolling, we'd have to take into account the mystes of the Druidic Boibel-Loth,
which (reputedly) contained encoded instructions on all manner of statecraft pertinent to Celtic affairs, and its impact on
orthodox Barbelist thought.
rizla mission
19:24 / 06.09.03
Well a fairly inescapable suggestion is gonna
be;
A sect which exists in direct opposition to the idea of reproductive sex becomes the dominant religious force
in the Western world?
..there aren't gonna be many caucasians around in 2003..
Tom Coates
22:33 / 06.09.03
Well Christianity is pretty against people having sex outside wedlock, but
all the evidence is that people have been doing it pretty much since the beginning of time. You might use as a basis for any
counterfactual thinking that Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate and married to Christ - it could be that in order
for the cult to have 'won' it would have to split into a priest class and a follower class, where the priests tried to persuade
people to have as much non-reproductive sex as possible, lowering birth rates dramatically but far from totally - people having
ten children - four of which died - now have four - one of whom dies.
Discrimination on grounds of sexual act would be dramatically lower initially at least and indeed in a subsequent renaissance
that might happen again. The Church might have remained in the hands of the people rather than become institutionalised to
the same extent or it might not.
STDs would be much higher, but prostate cancer much lower. The status of women could have been dramatically higher earlier,
both because of the mother goddess and because of the celebration of less invasive penetrative sex... So with those things
in your head, WHAT COMES NEXT?
Tom Coates
22:40 / 06.09.03
PS. Also "Caucasian"? If you're talking in
the colloquial "white" sense of the word, then I'm not sure that the middle eastern population we're starting with fall under
that classification - and if you're talking about the stricter now-out-of-use scientific classification, then you're also
talking about people who came to undertake many other religions including but not limited to some of the peoples of India,
many muslims and peoples of North Africa.
rizla mission
00:14 / 07.09.03
Fair point. Poor choice of words.
I guess maybe "European" is closer to what I meant.
I still think though that, since according to the Barbelite cosmology
childbirth isn't just frowned upon - it's actually ultimate sin which the whole religion is organised in opposition to - it
would be pretty difficult for the leaders of the religion to tolerate any births within the ranks of the faithful..
Possibilities:
i.maybe people who had children would be banished from the religious community, creating parallel religious and secular
societies. I suppose the Barbelite ideology would have to be persuasive enough to convince a certain percentage of the secular
offspring to take it up again, thus ensuring that it doesn't die out..
ii.maybe, as a more extreme version of what
you've suggested, an extremely small carefully monitored birth rate would be permitted in the name of self-preservation and
perpetuating the religion..
(I know I'm maybe going off on the wrong tack on this, but it's fun trying to get my head
around how a sect that prohibits breeding could succeed in becoming a dominant world religion..)
Tom Coates
12:09
/ 08.09.03
So try to think about some of the shifts they'd have had to make to keep the core message intactish while permitting
them to become the dominant religion...
grant
23:05 / 08.09.03
I can easily picture a world where STDs
bear the taint of sin.
What would be interesting, however, would be the institution of marriage, which is seen as
the cornerstone of society. Human emotions being what they are, I imagine serial monogamy might become the norm -- and/or
massive orgies, probably during major carnivals, like Mardi Gras.
Also, for the Barbelo-gnostics to be in a position
of authority, the Bible as we know it would not exist. Significant portions of the New Testament would be different, primarly
the omission Paul's writings. These are the ones that set up the prohibitions surrounding marriage, but also have something
to say about homosexuality, as well as setting out some of what we know about the Trinity, and the rule of celibate priesthood.
John would stay -- weird visions of the End Times. The Whore of Babylon, however, would
have a whole different vibe.
I think in this world, prominent citizens might be required to "make face" by having
a same-sex consort.
Prostitutes would probably be mainstream working class, if not considered elite professionals.
I imagine there'd also be a substantial historical precedent for sex-slavery. Like, maybe not in 2003, but up to the 1800s
at least and probably much later.
Racial boundaries, as a result, might be a lot harder to police. This may have an
opposite effect from what you'd expect -- ideas of racial supremacy might be even stronger, especially with the "no children"
meme adding to the opprobrium heaped on the offspring of slave-master unions. So possibly a minority snow-white sex-worker/priest
class, with a lot of mixed race middle class folks.
I'm not sure if democracy would catch on in quite the same way,
but I imagine queens would be far more common, and women would never have had to march to get the vote.
Populations
would definitely be smaller. I wonder... Christianity might have spread a lot faster, if the sexuality was attached to the
idea of eternal salvation and a single, omnipotent, loving God. Hmm.
The current debate on abortion would be almost
identical, only with scientists & "rationalists" taking a minority "pro-life" view, and fundamentalist Christians taking
the close majority "pro-choice" view.
The relationship between the Church and scientific rationalism would also be
somewhat different, probably, since gnosticism in all forms is based on personal revelation, not authoritative truth. Galileo
might never have been persecuted. Hard to say, though, since we monkeys seem to like authorities.
I wonder, also,
what urges would be repressed -- y'know, Freud's big thing was, "Hey, sex - it's pretty important! And we don't like to admit
we're thinking about it!"
What would the Barbelo-Freud discover?
grant
16:49 / 09.09.03
Actually,
if Emperor Constantine took up Barbelite Gnosticism, it would find a way to become authoritarian pretty darn quickly.
Most
of the authoritarianism in the early church can be traced to him, the first Christian emperor. (Or, more properly, "Christian").
bjacques
16:03 / 15.09.03
Is Gnosticism the source of the
Jorge
Luis Borges
quote that "copulation and mirrors are both abominable, because they increase the number of men?"
But I think an anti-reproductive religion would have been self-limiting.
The Shakers, (SEE MOTHER ANN LEE)
in the northern US of the 1700s, were also
against sex, and are pretty much extinct. If Constantine had championed it, it would probably have been a religion practiced
publicly and in the Emperor's court, while people practiced their real religion privately, and it would have died with him,
as did Ikhnaton's solar monotheism and Julian's "Apostasy."
But since preference for barbelite Christianity would
have come at the cost of the "our" Christianity, then the latter might not have gotten the critical boost it needed to become
one of the Big Three monotheisms. There's an excellent book by Karen Armstrong called something like
the History of God, supposing Islam, Judaism and Christianity arose and consolidated their hold in the Axial Age,
about 400BC-600AD, when general historical conditions favored it. That also suggests a niche existed and that a later Emperor
might have seen which way the wind was blowing and championed regular Christianity with roughly similar results.
So
the world would have been very different, but still not very barbelithic, except that that religion would probably have about
as many adherents as Jehovah's Witnesses.
I like this, I just wish I knew enough about Gnosticism to imagine the alternate
world instead of just playing, er, Devil's Advocate.
grant
21:04 / 15.09.03
"Gnosticism" is a single label
for a bunch of different strands of belief -- Barbelite Gnosticism being just one of 'em.
Emphasis
is on personal knowledge (gnosis) of the divine as opposed to scripture and traditional/authoritative sources of revelation.
There *is* a tradition (a set of beliefs) within these gnostic strains, elements
of which were accepted or rejected by various groups throughout history. So that set of beliefs is by no means uniform from
group to group.
The main thing all the gnostics have in common is that they lost out to orthodox Christianity
(as political entities) at about the same time Constantine adopted the faith.
I wonder if the Barbelites would have
been more plural and less monolithic than the version of Christianity that came to the fore in the 300s -- less
apt to condemn heretics, laying the foundation for a far broader church.
bjacques
00:53 /
16.09.03
Thanks! I'd picked up a few strands from reading tons of Borges' stories;
last week I was amazed to see Gnostic themes in Orson Welles' version of Kafka's
"The Trial." Anyway...
You're probably right about a kinder, gentler Christianity resulting. A possible
example is the Ottoman Empire whose state religion was of course Islam, but it was a more tolerant Islam than that practiced
in Saudi Arabia. Non-Muslims were welcome there as long as they paid taxes and didn't stir up trouble. There was a lot of
intellectual ferment in the Ottoman Empire.
Oh. Fertility images, like the classic Demeter
and her Cornucopia, used a lot in American art in the 1800s, would probably be unknown. Maybe Barbelo-Freud would discover
repression of fertility drives? Also, the ecstatic side of Christianity would be more respectable, and probably de rigeur,
but maybe you'd only have to fake it on festival days. A dark side of a religion like this could be outbreaks of mass panics,
fundamentalist frenzy. Maybe the state would make use of them and channel them into participatory public executions like the
"salvagings" of Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale," only people wouldn't pull on a long rope but instead tear the victims apart themselves.
Burning
Man would be government-subsidized, and have darker connotations, at least in states that had the death penalty...
at
the scarwash
03:26 / 30.09.03
Religions of aesceticism, if they are to thrive, seem to very quickly generate more
easily-consumable versions of themselves. A good example of this is perhaps Pure-Land Buddhism, which offers potential enlightenment
to those who can't find it though the path of wisdom, or in other words, by doing the damned hard (and selfish) work of the
aescetic. Even Catholicism as it is today would be a good example. My impression of Catholic doctrine is that the real O.G.'s
of the Catholic world are found amongst the priesthood and the orders; the laiety have their place, but they are somehow less
holy than their clergy. It's not that they actually could or should all be ordained--they are in the position intended for
them.
So anyway, I'd imagine that the Barbelo-Gnostics would probably evolve a similar system: a real hard-ass Barbelo-Gnosis
for the expert, and a Barbelo-lite Home Edition (TM) for the people too concerned with raising crops to feed the priesthood
to be able to go off and be awesome pervert-heretics themselves.
Since she escaped from her mind controlled confinement, she has dedicated herself to exposing what is happening. 
